We Should Talk About The Title Scene

Teenwrestler wrote:Well true, I think it is a very bad idea to force people to rp with each other- that much is true.

At the same time HYPOTHETICALLY speaking- what happens if Im an asshole and I get the belt and I shun everyone out there to hog the belt for myself. I can turn around and say "Well there are no rules that I MUST accept a challenge? There is nothing that forces me to defend my title nor should I be forced to defend it?" What I do is I take a bunch of my personal rp buddies and we keep switching the belts and keeping everyone out of it.

What could be the solution then? Hypothetically speaking ofc.

Something similar has happened in the past.

This is when mods step in and go 'no, stop being an asshole', and either tell you to pick an opponent and drop the belt, or they'll do it for it.

And word about that WILL get out and no one will want to do stuff with you anymore.

Mystery Dragon wrote:That was actually directed at Winner but I suppose it could apply to your comment as well. Personally I never saw 'communicate' as something that needed to be addressed, like I said before its necessary for being active on here so it just felt obvious.

Fair enough

The thing that forces you to defend the title is common sense. It's common sense and generally understood that if you have the belt, that you're going to have to both defend it and drop it at some point.

Teenwrestler wrote:

Old_Man_Tai wrote:Too be blunt and honest, as someone who has had this happen to him...You get over it and move on.

Like, I think thats something people aren't realizing or accepting here.

Yes, you should contact someone if you are interested in facing them...but they have every right to ignore you, or say no to you. Maybe not in a MEAN way, but they can say no.

If I have a belt, and you ask to beat me for that belt, I can say no. No, I have another story/match going on/to do. No, I have other plans. No, I'm not interested.

Also, keep in mind, even if you've "proven yourself" or whatever term we are using, at no point is anyone actually OWED a title or a match or anything. So communicate, open a dialogue, but understand that you could be rejected, it happens, and it might suck, but if it DOES happen, you have to just get over it. It's not the end of the world.

Well true, I think it is a very bad idea to force people to rp with each other- that much is true.

At the same time HYPOTHETICALLY speaking- what happens if Im an asshole and I get the belt and I shun everyone out there to hog the belt for myself. I can turn around and say "Well there are no rules that I MUST accept a challenge? There is nothing that forces me to defend my title nor should I be forced to defend it?" What I do is I take a bunch of my personal rp buddies and we keep switching the belts and keeping everyone out of it.

What could be the solution then? Hypothetically speaking ofc.

That my friend, is why we have mods to step in should anyone do so.

Which, really, they don't actually do.

I am now making a bold move and declare myself veteran. Not Rolling Stones veteran like, but still a veteran. I am also a former title holder and was asked five times to compete for a belt, which I in three instances declined.
Once because the belt I was asked to compete for did not interest me in the slightest(hardcore), another one because I had already been pushed aside by the owner of the belt and I refuse to be a second or third pick challenger or posting partner(main title) or I simply did not have the time and energy to compete(Entropy).

Although I am a forgiving type I also hold my grudges pretty close too. I won´t go out and call out people, but anybody who knows me here knows that you have to come back to me and kind of apologize or at least acknowledge if you have left me hanging in the past if you want to write with me again. I am actively looking for promising people to write with and have had matches with people who have now between 600 and 3000 posts who had around 100 or less when I approached them. I think this has not make me more popular as it seems, so it is obviously not only a question of seniority.

Regarding my title reign, I held the kawaii belt and to my constant shock nobody, not even the mods, gave a flying fuck about if or against whom I should and could defend it. I won it from a person who went up in the ranks quickly afterwards, and I gladly lost it to a person who I thought also deserved some gold and recognition.

Being the new guy here let me quickly add my two cents. Out of 11 belts 7 of them lack a #1 contender. Wouldn't it go smoother if we insured that every title holder was being contested at all times? And that everyone interested in getting there hand's on the gold have a more direct line of contacting a title holder. Anyway those were my two cents I be going now before someone decides to rip my face off.

No need to be so dramatic with ripping of faces off. You're fine, it's a legitamate question.

Some of the titles do have No 1 contenders, they are just not listed

Friction World - THe new champion was crowned just a few weeks ago

Tag Team Titles - Storyline with them is happening right now (Pride Queens are (seemingly) going to be the No 1 contenders)

Kawaii title - Champion being decided in a Fatal-4-Way match

Entropy - The current champion has an ongoing title defense

Softcore - defended in an elimination chamber match

Tension Hentai - New champion only recently crowned a few weeks ago

24/7 Title - Kelsea said there is a storyline in works for this belt.

So really, it's only 3 titles without a No 1 contender right now, and their players are likely working on stories for them.

It was just a joke but I gotcha ya if that's the case though it's obviously more of a communication problem and people not getting a fair shake. It's a shame but it can't be helped without setting up some sort of system that would suck all the fun out of it.

So, I feel that a lot of my attempts to clarify points have gotten buried. But I'm going to continue attempting to clarify because I feel like many of the people who commented recently focused on things that aren't necessarily geared towards what this was supposed to be about.

There is no way for me to answer vcom's last post, Alex, and several others without trying to point out specific examples/users/title holders/exchanges/etc. And I feel like name dropping or calling out specific instances that back my point would facilitate drama, derailment, and other things that will miss the point.

I've come to the realization that despite my best efforts, despite making it very clear since the very first post of this thread that none of this is meant to be an attack on anyone. Despite stating my intentions, there are those of you that will see criticism on the titles as a personal attack against them and others that have enjoyed the title system.

Many people will pop in, look at the last page, and surmise that there wasn't much of anything that matters going on here. That it was probably just more whining or noise or drama for the sake of drama.

The point of this post is to assess whether or not there are problems. Whether or not change is warranted.

That's the short version. That's the point being contended. That's where this thread came from. And I speak for myself and the others who voted for that corresponding option, when I say that I think there are problems. When I say that "common sense" doesn't always work in real life or here. Common sense, along with whatever policies, practices, or precedents that we as a community have put in place, does not regulate titles, defenses, contenders, communication, cooperation, events, inactivity, willful exclusion, toxicity, and so on.

Many of you may feel that there's no need to belabor these points. But I feel that there has been enough said from enough people to suggest that there are flaws. And that change is warranted.

Vcom7418 wrote:No need to be so dramatic with ripping of faces off. You're fine, it's a legitamate question.

Some of the titles do have No 1 contenders, they are just not listed

Friction World - THe new champion was crowned just a few weeks ago

Tag Team Titles - Storyline with them is happening right now (Pride Queens are (seemingly) going to be the No 1 contenders)

Kawaii title - Champion being decided in a Fatal-4-Way match

Entropy - The current champion has an ongoing title defense

Softcore - defended in an elimination chamber match

Tension Hentai - New champion only recently crowned a few weeks ago

24/7 Title - Kelsea said there is a storyline in works for this belt.

So really, it's only 3 titles without a No 1 contender right now, and their players are likely working on stories for them.

It's also worth noting that, based on how it works, there shouldn't even BE a #1 contender for the 24/7 belt, since it's supposed to be open for anyone (in storyline) The same could be said of the Entropy Belt, since the champion is supposed to be able to pick opponents at will.