Re: AFW Meeting!

by Bluemouse Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:23 am

Someone told you that new characters can't have matches with established ones? That doesn't sound very likely.

And so it's that people who play popular characters don't treat people whose characters are not popular well? In what ways?

by daemongirl Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:32 am

trust me, i was surprised when I heard that too. I would say a few players who I would consider more established and being above the mid card with some of their characters, see newer characters as being lesser than their own. So if the match doesnt go with their higher tier characters having an easy time of it or finding them losing they complain to the mod instead of pming the other player. Its really just a general mindset some have that if a character is newer then they are on a lower level than older ones.

But if we can move on from that point, what do you think about the entropy belt? I think people would think more highly of it if the belt was set up as a mid card title with normal rules, what about you?

by Bluemouse Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:43 am

I think you're making a straw man argument, and I don't think anyone (at least of any consequence) told you new characters can't play with old ones.

For entropy, I don't think the mechanics of the belt need to change at all. I think it is what people make of it, and if everyone just laughs at it like it's nothing (IC, like most people did when Taylor had it), then it's nothing. It's sort of a tough thing to really get a handle on, a belt for not-top-tier people, since it's hard enough to know who is supposed to be top tier (IC), let alone the inbetweens. It's a good plot device, though, we can't base EVERYTHING off the friction belt.

by Harrier Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:54 am

In my opinion, the Kawaii Belt has to be defended more regulary on PPV, and the E Belt needs a spot there too. The chances for a shot at the big belt are slim at best when you think how long matches take to resolve, so a smaller gold is very much appreciated by me.

Not long ago, the IC Belt was highly prestigeous too. The IC Belt went downhill when it was held by Chyna, once you go clown, it's hard to climb back to serious in a short time. But take a look who held it:
Golden Age: Bret Hart, Ultimate Warrior
New Generation: Shawn Michaels
Attitude: The Rock
Ruthless Aggression: Randy Orton
Now: Big Show

Everyone of these guys is highly decorated and some are even among the GOATS. There is NO reason at all to look down upon it, and a main eventer should not be too good to fight for the IC, US or TV belt. TNA is on a good track with it. Their X-Division champ is a grand slam winner from WE and a triple crown winner from ECW, hard to find a guy that's more decorated than RvD.

by anegge Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:28 am

[quote="Bluemouse":f8vy8wgc]I'll be honest, part of the reason I bring this up is because it seems like this site can't finish an important match without controversy. The higher up matches should be the ones people read if they read a match they aren't involved in, and in the spirit of both representing the site and creating an environment that others can participate in, those matches need to go well.

To clarify, I think that if we understood what it is that people are looking for when they RP, and how they go about trying to get it, maybe we can be better about working together to keep this site up. Frankly, the whole thing has gone to shit. Enough people are pissed at other people that we now have very clearly defined cliques, or at least an in and out crowds. It doesn't work like that.

I just wanted to say that I really appreciate this post. These two paragraphs are like a textual realization of the purpose of AFW's two PPVs.

by Harrier Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:54 pm

I agree with daemongirl in the point that there should be no difference in the chances of winning between a non-ranked girl and a ranked girl. AFW is not scripted, an Angle - Puder incident can actually happen here(for those who don't know, experienced mat wrestler Kurt Angle was put into a Kimmura hold by a new wrestling guy and martial artist named Puder and would have spent the next weeks in the hospital if the referee had not saved him).

Paying the dues is a different matter, but that's the choice of the players alone. I personally encourage it and find a start from zero to hero to be quite boring, but if someone likes it this way, he or she also has to suffer the consequences.

by Bluemouse Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:45 pm

Mr Harrier, I'm glad you said that.

Here's the thing, you can't have a successful run on this site only looking out for yourself. Collaborative RP is a lot of give and take. Typically, you front load the process by giving, while you're getting to know people and exploring your character and establishing him/her. Through that process others become willing to give, and you can take.

It would be more immediately gratifying to start at the top, doing whatever you want with whoever you want and getting your way in all of it. However, the way people have done it on this site and elsewhere involves this "build up" process, not just for character development but for their personal relationships with the board members. It's a sacrifice, a little point of selflessness, a contribution to the board, that makes everything else possible.

You're describing a selfish method, and saying that if anyone else has given and taken time to build up their character/plot and a more selfish person comes by and kicks it all down it's their own fault. It's an attitude I think you'll find challenging to maintain in many avenues of real life, as well as here, if this site is to succeed as it was intended, which is that we are not just a group of people with a common interest doing whatever tickles us most, we are a group that works with one another, to build something.

by XSirenX Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:20 pm

[quote="daemongirl":2pp9j1gj]trust me, i was surprised when I heard that too. I would say a few players who I would consider more established and being above the mid card with some of their characters, see newer characters as being lesser than their own. So if the match doesnt go with their higher tier characters having an easy time of it or finding them losing they complain to the mod instead of pming the other player. Its really just a general mindset some have that if a character is newer then they are on a lower level than older ones.

But if we can move on from that point, what do you think about the entropy belt? I think people would think more highly of it if the belt was set up as a mid card title with normal rules, what about you?

ORDER IN THE BLOODY FORUM TOPIC, order, we can fight like savage keyboard warriors, or we can debate peacefully.

As you was saying, complaining to the mods? I think people who do this seem to shoot themselves in the foot, much, its not like mods here can go round fun policing on who's in the wrong and who's not, the fact is, you have to accept who your RP'ing with first, and happy with that for the most part. Talk to them, see what your likes and dislikes are and your on your way, character traits, balancing, whether your a first timer or a powergamer etc, sometimes communication between roleplayer's helps <img src=

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Than going rushing in against Miss Muscle the Face/Heel. TALK first, plan, and then get to it.

And the Entropy/intercontinental belt standing, I think we should give those a chance who feel they want to take a shot at it, than foil it with too many limits. The thing we don't need here is too much manipulation.

by Harrier Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:51 pm

[quote="Bluemouse":loem9mtj]
You're describing a selfish method, and saying that if anyone else has given and taken time to build up their character/plot and a more selfish person comes by and kicks it all down it's their own fault. It's an attitude I think you'll find challenging to maintain in many avenues of real life, as well as here, if this site is to succeed as it was intended, which is that we are not just a group of people with a common interest doing whatever tickles us most, we are a group that works with one another, to build something.

I ain't sure if I get this wrong, so sorry if this is not what you meant to say.

I did not want to encourage being undefeatable and certainly don't want to shift any blame for a poor or unrealistic match, character development or storyline to a member who does not pay dues to the members that did or do. My idea about this is that you get cut from playing with many potential opponents and RP partners if you work this way and therefore should avoid this behavior whenever possible for your own sake. But if someone wants to behave that way, what to do against it?

To add something completely different, I personally had some problems asking members who were veterans(not the purple ones, vets in general) for matches and storylines, writing only PMs when I had everything possible planed and an answer for most questions involved. Feedback was luckily mostly positive, but it was a rather long way to come to that point.

by Bluemouse Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:30 am

I think I've found one sticking point worth repeating so far.

Here's something else, though...

It's been a common complaint forever that there are no heels in AFW. They're certainly few and far between, at least those that show up in the "AFW universe" and not just exhibition matches. I think it's because in order for a heel to work, he/she has to be scary and strong and make the face look over matched. There are plenty of exceptions, of course.

In order for that heel to work, other people need to put her over. If people write her as just being some scrub and not respecting the heeliness, she's defanged. I think I've discovered that's why I've given up on Allison in favor of Jamie. Faces are a little easier to establish, they depend less on what the other person does, but heels are very fragile in that respect. Shoddy treatment can dispel their whole mystique.

Thoughts?

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