When pro wrestling began to suck...

Im confused by your wording, you admit that RVD is repetitive in every match, but your excited watching a repetitive, usually boring matchup because he might do one different move? Actually, forget I said that, your right. I "marked out" a couple weeks back when he attempted that 450 splash, so I actually see your point on this.

Ryback is....really bad, but I will admit that I usually end up laughing in his matches, due to how easily he tosses people about XD. I like Lord Trainbert better. I thought they had somewhere to go with Tensai losing on a story or character way, but I guess he will just job to the stars and beat the young dudes. Still, has matches with Sheamus have been good, his match with Cena was good, and that revamped Baldo Bomb of his looks way better then the old one.

These new comments about Cena....these I agree with. He is just like RVD (And Kitten was right on the ball about that) in that, unless its a giant Rock vs Cena match, he usually cannot stay serious during a fued. He has to start cracking his jokes and being all kid friendly and then you lose the idea that its a big match. There is three Cena promo styles. Average Cena, who is kid friendly and bland. "Having some fun out there" Cena, which is where all his funniest promos come from, like the Star Wars promo after No Way Out, and "Serious" Cena, who is rarely seen but is ALWAYS good when he comes out. Unlike RVD, who just goes "Meh" at EVERY SINGLE SITUATION.

But yeah, Ive noticed Cena is a hypocrite. Like after Punk lost the belt to Del Rio at Summerslam cause Del Rio used the MITB to cash in, Cena claimed that Del Rio couldn't win on his own and couldn't "win like a man", which is why Cena wanted the shot. That night, Cena vs Punk, no. 1 contender match, and Cena wins because Nash interferes and attacks Punk. So its bad for Del Rio to be sneaky and win that way, but it's totally cool for Cena to win an important match with outside help and never bring it up? I would say that Cena has lost to Rock, Johnny Ace, and Tensai, but only Rock was Clean, and out of 110 matches this year, he has won about 103 of them.

WWE is trying to build new main eventers, but the issue is that it takes time. Especially in todays WWE where fans dont remember anything from the week before. They are trying to literally squeeze the last few possible drops of blood out of the stone before they have to discard it. The problem is that the new guys aren't being treated seriously by their company. Zack Ryder kicked ass and worked his way to his level....then was given a horrible "injury", couldn't work, and they gave his spotlight to Santino....who, while funny, can't work his way out of a paper bag.

Sin Cara Negro is actually a better wrestler then Sin Cara himself. XD. But yeah, WWE wanted to rehash the "Mexi-cools" gimmick it seems. Stereotypes.

Genesis sucked, despite lasting all of 1 week.

Swagger DOES have talent, but again, all he does is make people think of Angle. Plus the guy cannot get any crowd reaction whatsoever. His cashing in against Jericho, who people hated at the time, was so mediocre that it was funny. And it shows the point, whenever a new star wins the world title, people don't take them seriously and don't react. It's occured with Miz, Del Rio, Swagger, Ziggler, for those 20 minutes, and others in the past. Daniel Bryan has made real headway, thanks to being crazy awesome and "YES!", but Sheamus is the only new guy, (and yes he is a new guy, its only been 3 years), that has really managed to connect with the crowd since his face turn and, despite the backlash against him from Mania, has elected huge responses from the crowd and puts on good matches as well. His 2/3 falls match with Daniel Bryan from Extreme Rules for example, was one of the best matches of the night.

Kitten, your wrong about Harrier being wrong about everything, he has good points. He just needed someone able to debate him so he can prove and further explain his points, which is the point of debating. You are right on the money with RVD though, the guy has been doing the same "Im stoned" gimmick for years and his big flaw that keeps him out of the main event is that he cannot sell a storyline to save his life. He honestly just does not give a single shit about what he is doing or whats going on as long as he gets paid. Combine that with his refusal to job...seriously, how often does he actually lose, ESPECIALLY in high profile feuds? I only can think of his losses to Orton when he left WWE, and his lost to Jeff Hardy at Bound for Glory 2010. The guy never wants to go out on his back, and, when he won the belt, he even stated he wouldn't lose it to anyone who wasn't around in the Attitude era....that is really great RVD...way to be team player. RVD, and Flair, are the reasons AJ Styles career was sent back a year.

And for your comment on Cena, HE HAS IMPROVED. Seriously, his match against Punk at MITB 2011 was Match of the Year for a reason, and after over 10 years in the company, you cannot just write it off as Punk carrying him the whole match. Cena has earned respect, and honestly deserves it.

[quote="TiefBlau":zo6nvwf2]One thing I have to disagree with is Cena's reactions getting louder. That's incredibly false. His reactions have been growing colder by the week. He no longer entices a crowd to boo him fiercely or cheer him enthusiastically. There will be the tiny "Lets go Cena-Cena Sucks" chant every now and then, but it's becoming to be that the crowd doesn't seem to care anymore, which is VERY bad. Also Merchandise sales? False. Cena drawing more ratings? False