We Should Talk About The Title Scene

ThunderFox wrote:I think we had one thread going together, but we never finished it. Mainly because I left for a year, and when I came back, I elected to not finish any threads I left hanging.

Shame we never got to do anything more

Pretty sure it was something with Bunny and Izumi, I think.

Old_Man_Tai wrote:as for reigns, reigns are great.

So, there's way too many people to quote on this one, so I'm just gonna quote my point.

I have a sincere question to ask the last sever people who posted.

Please explain to me. Exactly why did you people see this:

winner3 wrote:3) I don't think people failing to reaching out to any specific people is a valid claim for anyone to miss out on opportunities regarding belts or other accolades. Especially with no rules stating so.

And leap to the defense of the title holders as if I assigned blame to them? Someone please enlighten me.

As someone who is part of the newer generation here, I just wanna contribute my two cents to the situation in saying that personally, I am fine with the system we have now. Perhaps I haven't been around long enough to really see how things work or whatever, but it's not a real issue for me. Belts are belts because they're hard to reach -- sometimes, you gotta put as much effort into getting one as your own character does. Doesn't that mean you get more development for your character? Doesn't that mean your girl will grow more and more because she feels herself shafted for the belt? Honestly, you could have so many great plots.

Would it be nice to have another belt in the Tension division to even it out with Friction? Definitely! But the truth is, the belts aren't even getting enough love already. If you want a belt, reach out to the nearest belt holder and see if they've already got a plot lined up for a feud. If they do, then just wait for the shift to occur, and keep pushing! Reigns are awesome to play with, sure, but they're also fun to play under. And if you just manage to waltz up without giving your character enough development to really be able to EARN that belt, then no one is going to be happy. It's more fun to work towards it yourself, so when you've finally put in the hours and plots in order to get the belt, it's so much more exciting. If you don't get it this time around? Work it into your character's plot! Are they pissed off about it, and think the system is coming after them? Or maybe they're just depressed and need something to help get them back on their feet?

The road to the belt is more rewarding than the belt itself. Enjoy that.

I feel one of the things that makes AFW great, is how little rules there are. This allows people to do storylines and all sorts of interesting rps. Adding in more rules and stuff takes away from this. I can understand maybe adding a two-month inactive rule, something like that is fine. But aside from that, I don't think we should really change anything. Otherwise it kind of ruins the whole thing.

Winner3 wrote:Please explain to me. Exactly why did you people see this:

winner3 wrote:3) I don't think people failing to reaching out to any specific people is a valid claim for anyone to miss out on opportunities regarding belts or other accolades. Especially with no rules stating so.

And leap to the defense of the title holders as if I assigned blame to them? Someone please enlighten me.

Because we're the ones that got called out? Whether that's what you meant to do or not, that's what you did.

I mean, serious question here. If someone isn't trying to reach out to specific people for their opportunities or accolades, then why should they be given them?

Fine, fine, no mocking.

Alexandra wrote:

Winner3 wrote:Please explain to me. Exactly why did you people see this:

winner3 wrote:3) I don't think people failing to reaching out to any specific people is a valid claim for anyone to miss out on opportunities regarding belts or other accolades. Especially with no rules stating so.

And leap to the defense of the title holders as if I assigned blame to them? Someone please enlighten me.

Because we're the ones that got called out? Whether that's what you meant to do or not, that's what you did.

I mean, serious question here. If someone isn't trying to reach out to specific people for their opportunities or accolades, then why should they be given them?

Please point the me the exact words I used to call you out and inform me how it was a personal attack on you or any of the title holders.

Please point out to me where I alleged that people not reaching out are entitled to a reward.

I'm saying it's not a fair system if it's not stated somewhere for everyone to be made aware that that's how things work. That that's what the rules are. And I tried to make that clear a few times now.

Winner3 wrote:So, there's way too many people to quote on this one, so I'm just gonna quote my point.

I have a sincere question to ask the last sever people who posted.

Please explain to me. Exactly why did you people see this:

winner3 wrote:3) I don't think people failing to reaching out to any specific people is a valid claim for anyone to miss out on opportunities regarding belts or other accolades. Especially with no rules stating so.

And leap to the defense of the title holders as if I assigned blame to them? Someone please enlighten me.

You said it yourself, failing to reach out isn't a valid claim, so what is a valid claim? What can be done then that helps if no one reaches out to the title holders?

"I don't think people failing to reaching out to any specific people is a valid claim for anyone to miss out on opportunities regarding belts or other accolades."

You're basically saying it's not the fault of people that don't reach out when they don't get belts or titles. You're shifting the blame from them to others, so yes, that comes off as a bit of an attack.

LtLukas wrote:This. This. A thousand times this. I don't mean to victim blame, but the messaging system is a bidirectional sort of thing. I don't have any data in front of me, but I would wager that very few of you asked for a title shot directly. It seems to be as if many of us are introverts, and that shyness has extended into the white space, so to speak. It is as if you are all pretty girls at prom, waiting for some cute boy to come and pick you up. I don't mean to victim blame, nor do I intend to call anyone out specifically. Alex is a fairly amiable dude, and he had this problem. Bluemouse was far less amiable, and she had the same problem as well. Sometimes the mountain comes to Muhammad, and sometimes Muhammad must go to the mountain.

I think Kels stating earlier that simply stating your intention to move on a title is a good starting point. I don't think it will be as simple as that (that was my main gripe), but it's definitely a good way of atleast making note of who should be considered for titles.

I thoroughly agree with Lukas' communication is a two way street vibe he's going for. I think we need to break the pretence that title holders shouldn't ask possible contenders because they should be coming to them, along with the presumption from anyone after a title not bothering to ask because they simply won't get anywhere.

Maybe leave out the mocking of guys likely too shy or embarrassed to ask for involvement.