Re: Topic: Wrestling?

by Harrier Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:59 am

[quote="BCG":3i63ell1]Lol, oh man Sandow was hilarious in that segment. It cracks me up every time I think about it. Especially his horrified scream when Cody chucked his briefcase. Sandow's not a half bad comedic actor.

Speaking of which, and speaking of Sheamus too, does anyone else recall that one segment on Smackdown where Sandow was planning to play chess against a computer and Sheamus interrupted? I remember Sheamus acting like he was going to try playing against it instead, but then he just flipped the table and started screaming at Sandow "You wanna fight!!?" and then he Brough Kicked Sandow for absolutely no reason. Or something along those lines. I think that was a good example of a face who we're suppose to root for acting like the asshole in a storyline. And it also involved Sandow, ironically.

Yeah it really put Swagger's performance to shame. But at least he started things off with Bryan instead of having to follow up Cesaro(if I'm remembering right). That would have really made him look bad. Ryback however wasn't so lucky.

Oh yes, that was the prime example of an unreasonable Bully that comes to an intellectual border, is to stupid to understand it and bullies the Nerd cause he doesn't understand what's going on. Not exactly B.A.Star material, hypocrisy at it's finest here. In the same league like Cena covering Cole with BBQ Sauce, that was one of the rare moments I was ashamed to watch something like that.

Before his DUI, I wanted Swagger to turn face as american patriot, and I even kind of liked that new heel gimmick. but someone who gets busted for DUI 2 weeks before WM doesn't deserve anything good wrestlingwise coming to him.

And speaking of Ryback, that guy is mediocre in every department, and the sad thing is that he already stepped up his game! How someone can be 8+ years in wrestling development and still be so mediocre simply baffles me. I'm all for a good power wrestler like Goldberg, Kane, Sid, Warrior or Vader who all scored at least in some important wrestling skills, but Ryback lacks in every department(Intensity, In Ring Skill, Promo). Especially face Ryback was horrible, his heel turn made me tolerate him more cause that stupid marching and feed me more stopped.

by **Old_Man_Tai** Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:23 am

I like how you claim ADR is pushed as being "Superhuman" when he loses just about every other week or so. It sounds like your main complaint is just that he's on the show. Period.

I've noticed that alot of your complaints about "he's being pushed as superhuman", seem to revolve around wrestlers that are currently world champs at the time of your complaints. So....what? A world champ ISN'T supposed to win matches? Sheamus DID lose matches, both before, during, and after his world title reign. Hell, did you completely miss his losses to Mark Henry, Big Show, Randy Orton, The Shield, at least one of the members of Rhodes Scholars, and how recently Daniel Bryan made him tap out? On top of that, the guy hasn't really had any so called "Squash matches" in some time.

His matches usually go a decent length, and he takes and sells moves well. Even last year, during said world title run/push, the guy still sold and took plenty of damage from the likes of Cesaro, Tensai, and Barrett, despite winning in the end. Yet whenever he wins, its "Sheamus is superhuman!" Personally, I disagree. I do wonder though, why you never talk about guys in TNA right now like Kurt Angle, who kick out of finishers and big moves on such a regular occasion that they practically HAVE to be superhuman.

Swagger as an All American Face? I have to responses.

First, Ever since he took his break last year, all I heard on the internet was how Swagger just HAD to turn face....WHY!? His move set works far better for a heel, his attitude is perfect for a heel, he wouldn't make a convincing face in the least, and his promos would pretty much suck horribly, as he wouldn't have Zeb Coulter with him. The guy is best as a heel.

2. The All American Face gimmick got boring back when The Patriot was doing it back in 1997. Having Swagger rehash that would just be lame as hell.

B.C.G, nice to meet you. Welcome to the world of wrestling debates.

by **Deus001** Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:33 am

[quote="BCG":1yij86c7]Lol, oh man Sandow was hilarious in that segment. It cracks me up every time I think about it. Especially his horrified scream when Cody chucked his briefcase. Sandow's not a half bad comedic actor.

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by Harrier Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:48 am

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I think it wouldn't be necessary for Kane and Jericho to job so often if management did not try to push guys like AdR or Sheamus so relentness and portray them as superhuman instead of just larger than life with characters. AdR lost his fair share of matches, but he always pops up again despite only gathering a little heat and the WWE tries to build him up again and again and again. Sheamus winning all the time was unbearable, I like him much more now that he sometimes looses too as he is no doubt a good power wrestler and so much better than Ryback in that department. A loss generates sympathy for a face, at least with me.

And I gave an explanation for it. Both guys are just examples as I am much more at ease with Sheamus right now after his excellent feud with the Big Show and his matches with Cesaro and Bryan, and nobody can deny that AdR is a very good wrestler.

Of course the WHC should win the majority of his matches, especially the random ones. All I am asking for would be a roll up win after a distraction or something like that sometimes in a feud, but in Sheamus heydays, not even that happened. The large majority of Sheamus challengers for the WHC were pretty toothless if memory serves well cause you knew he'd chew and spit them out with no problem. And despite loosing more often than not, AdR still gets shoved into the WHC scene again and again with minimal results. So I was basically wrong by giving him a superhuman appearance instead of an undeserved booking. Put him into the IC scene and elevate the title with him, then I would welcome WHC AdR with open arms cause the guy has his moments of brilliance(clapping after someone threw the Cena shirt back, Show me your papers, that look when Ricardo handed him the teddy bear at the Christmas special show).

My idea would be for the midcard champions to win more often and the big champions to loose sometimes to bring the belts closer together. The IC champ shouldn't just surely loose to the WWE champ at all time.

by **Old_Man_Tai** Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:58 am

[quote="Harrier":2skuco8n] So I was basically wrong

HA! He admitted it! I win! I win! I'm the tag team champions!!!!!

Actually, your response helped clarify your earlier statement for me, so I understand it better now. Thank you for that.

I actually do agree that midcard champs should be able to win more often. Wade Barretts last two IC titles runs were just such a waste of potential.

by BCG Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:41 am

Lmao, I fucking love it. I think that may be my favorite "Wrester A throws Wrestler B's ___ into ocean" segment of all time. And there seem to be quite a few of those.

[quote="Old_Man_Tai":1qgfpdqj]B.C.G, nice to meet you. Welcome to the world of wrestling debates.

You to! And thanks, it's always nice to find intelligent fans of wrestlig to discuss it with.

by Harrier Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:22 am

So yeah, Barrett as IC was a waste of time for everyone, including him.
*I had hopes for Barrett when they anounced a tournament for the IC belt at mainevent, but scrapped it.
*Kicked in the family jewels by HHH, berried by the Game in a random encounter or rather a casual meeting. I loled, but still^^
*Lost to Bo Dallas. Wow, I don't even know what happened there to make this possible.
*Looses IC belt at PPV, regains it at the Raw after.
*Lost title to the Genesis of McGillicutty.
And even after he lost the belt, the berries continue to rain down on him when he was made the barber of D-Bryan. You could argue at least he was on RAW, but I really don't know if bad publicity is really desirable.

@BCG: Don't know about intelligence in the discussions, but at least we have dufficult opinions^^

by **Deus001** Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:46 pm

You know they should create a meme for Sandow. It would go:

Intellectual savior of the unwashed masses.

But cannot swim.

by **Old_Man_Tai** Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:55 pm

[quote="Harrier":3bu1w23c].
Don't know about intelligence in the discussions, but at least we have dufficult opinions^^

Are you referring to the discussion forum in general, or this thread?

Can't decide if that was an honest comment or a subtle insult, given that the most common poster in this thread aside from yourself happens to be me...

As for "Bad Publicity" You have to remember that Vince doesn't BELIEVE in bad publicity. Vince believes that if a wrestler is on Raw, then he's on Raw and on TV and should be grateful for it, no matter what he's doing. Which pretty much explains why he puts wrestlers in these situations and doesn't give a shit XD.

by Harrier Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:07 pm

[quote="Old_Man_Tai":24pfc5ua]Wrestling fans are always being given crap for being wrestling fans. Period.

Mick Foley's first biography/autobiography, whichever version means that he wrote it himself, since he did, all 700 pages, longhand, which became a New York times No.1 Bestseller? According to Foley, it was thought at the time that the book would flop horribly because of a perception that "Wrestling fans either didn't read, or couldn't read."

Basically for this reason, Tai. I sometimes forget that the inet is not good for such comments without quoting^^

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