Re: TNA vs WWE

by Kitten Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:03 pm

[quote="Harrier":3odhalmy]First of all: Thread necromancy.

13. Sin Cara. Has it all.

Sin Cara is a shame to my country. The only good thing about him being in WWE is that, at last, he is not here anymore.

And last: I hate zombies. That includes zombie threads.

*shoots zombie thread in the head with a shootgun*

by Harrier Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:10 pm

Cats hate Zombies: checked. I usually am no fan of necromancy myself, but it seemed odd to open a 3rd!(yes, there is another TNA/WWE thread down there) thread for it.

And Sin Cara, give the guy a mask where he can see something (and turn the lights on!), and he will be fine. HHH brought him in, I refuse to believe that the guy who burried the whole roster has bought a wrestler that is shit.

by **Old_Man_Tai** Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:27 pm

Im ignoring my other threads today just to reply to yours point by point.

TNA
1. Hogan is pure shit and is only in TNA cause his ex wife took most of his money. The guy has done nothing good for them

2. Sting. His ripping off of The Dark Knight's Joker is really funny, and the guy can still put on a decent match, plus he puts over TNA talent, I support this.

3. Robert Roodes title reign has been meh because TNA booking utterly fucked it up, Hogan himself buried Roode right before the Bound For Glory show and its been confirmed that Hogan changed the match to prevent Roode from winning, which ruined months of build up and then the Storm/Roode feud has had issues since.

4. The Hardys are worthless. Matt has always had his head up his ass and was never talented enough to move past midcard, and Jeff would be NOTHING without his ability to jump off high stuff while wearing body paint.

5. Bully Ray is pretty funny on the mic, decent wrestler. Good Heel.

6. Steiner is worthless, always has been.
7.Daniel vs Styles is being overdone, they need to seperate them for a bit because the fued is getting too long.
8.Angle was at his best around 2002-2005, but went to TNA in 2006 and then went crazy.
9. Knockouts have been crap for at least a year now, proof that TNA cant even keep the few good things they create.
10. Eric Young and ODB......the fact that your supporting Eric Youngs current "Concussion make me retarded" gimmick makes me sad.
11. Bischoff needs to LEAVE. The guy knows nothing about wrestling, he is just using it to pad his resume in his attempts to enter hollywood or at the very least get his own tv show.
12. Samoa Joe has fallen so far that is is just sad...
13. Ring of Honor my friend, thats where Aries got to shine, his TNA matches have been really good though, I dunno what your into, but Aries can really work.

by Kitten Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:29 pm

[quote="Harrier":3faw3aav]Cats hate Zombies: checked. I usually am no fan of necromancy myself, but it seemed odd to open a 3rd!(yes, there is another TNA/WWE thread down there) thread for it.

And Sin Cara, give the guy a mask where he can see something (and turn the lights on!), and he will be fine. HHH brought him in, I refuse to believe that the guy who burried the whole roster has bought a wrestler that is shit.

He did

by **Old_Man_Tai** Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:41 pm

Part 2, the WWE responses.

1. Ill agree on this, Undertaker needs to retire and be a rare time attraction, which is what will most likely happen after this years Mania. He can still go though, as his last few Mania matches prove.
2. I love how im already hearing people say that they are sick of Jericho and the Jericho-Punk fued, and yet they havent even done anything yet. This is the negativity I was talking about, where the IWC folks just jump right on and trash everything without seeing how it plays out first. Punk vs Jericho could be match of the night at Mania and will cut promos of the year beforehand.
3. I like Big Show, the guy is funny and has worked hard. His Survivor Series match with Henry was really good, as was their TLC match. I hope he does win the IC belt, plus Cody Rhodes going on to world title status would be epic, he has really improved
4. Ziggler has the best name in WWE, and is the most improved wrestler out of all the newer guys. I want to see him with World Titles
5. Eh, not a fan of the Jersey Shore gimmick, but he can be funny and has improved much. Would be a decent US or IC champ.
6. Marella is really great at comedy, but I cant get behind his new push. At least Ryder was pushing for more matches and such while its harder to take Santino seriously, though he was great at EC, I think that match shows how far the EC has fallen in terms of importance.
7. Miz was a good champ, good promo's, good matches. People need to realize that WWE actually is trying to build up the younger guys like everyone wants, but its going to take time, its a transition period. The attitude era is over and was crap anyway, Cena, Orton and such are going out the door eventually, so WWE HAS to build up new guys, which they started with Sheamus and Miz. The IWC will bitch about "old" guys holding the titles, but then bitch even when its young guys holding titles.

Ill continue with part 3 later.

by **Old_Man_Tai** Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:45 pm

[quote="Kitten":rcchdb6u][quote="Harrier":rcchdb6u]Cats hate Zombies: checked. I usually am no fan of necromancy myself, but it seemed odd to open a 3rd!(yes, there is another TNA/WWE thread down there) thread for it.

And Sin Cara, give the guy a mask where he can see something (and turn the lights on!), and he will be fine. HHH brought him in, I refuse to believe that the guy who burried the whole roster has bought a wrestler that is shit.

He did

by Kitten Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:56 pm

No Tai.

He is a one trick pony. A spotmonkey that botches his spots. And he can't speak Spanish either.

Plus the juggling/acrobatics nonsense he does isn't Lucha Libre.

by Harrier Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:02 pm

*I don't think Roode is a bad wrestler or boring, quite the contrary, but in my eyes still the Janetty of Beer money. *I didn't know that the gimmick of Eric Young was one of being retarted cause of a concussion(that is really sick), I thought he was just a particular crazy redneck. I didn't even know the guy since starting to look into Impact then and when.
*Scott Steiner was probably the most promising athlete when he was part of the Steiner Brothers.
*I look at Natalia's farting gimmick and think the TNA divas are just fantastically booked and make great matches compared to that. I ain't into puro japanese wrestling, so I am thrilled to see women who can do actual wrestling like those in TNA.
*Is Joe fat? Yes. Does he still do all his moves? Also yes.
*AA just doesn't have it for me, I can't even explain it. Superior athletism for sure, but he dosn't make me want to boo but just forget him.

In WWE, we are obviously in the same boat, except for the Miz(another Janetty^^). I am all for building a solid midcard and new guys for the main event, but the Miz? John Morrison, Cody Rhodes, Wade Barett, Drew McIntyre, Dolph Ziggler, Justin Gabriel(midcard), Tyson Kidd and maybe Jack Swagger, i would have signed that.

I generally like matches with Bret Hart Guys(Michaels, Booker T, Goldust, Orton, Christian Cage), and a guy like Kane who is a very good athlete for his size.

by **Old_Man_Tai** Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:32 pm

Kitten, Ive watched Lucha Libre.....Your 6 man Captain Elimination tag matches are confusing as hell and Ive seen many a match end by pinfall off an arm drag.....Ive seen a few great matches yes, but for the most part a large part of Lucha Libre appears to be done so soft and light and feathery that quite frankly it looks fake. Which wrestling is of course, but it shouldnt LOOK fake.

Im sorry Harrier but I have to disagree with some of your main event picks here.

Morrison was a lazy spot monkey who would only actually work when it was a PPV. Id like my main eventer to bust his ass more then just 12-15 matches a year.

Drew McIntyre was given a pretty good push, and failed. The guy has decent talent and one of the best entrance themes in WWE today, but his mic skills were crap, his fued with Matt Hardy/Fatt Lardy was boring, and the guy just couldnt get over.

Justin Gabriel is decent, but cant talk and doesnt stand out apart from his 450 splash, which isnt near as good as others.

Tyson Kidd ...repeat above statement, only switch 450 Splash for Code Blue

Did you really say Jack Swagger!? As in the guy who WAS WORLD CHAMPION and got ripped to shreds by the IWC and others during his entire title reign, to the point where nobody even mentions he is a former world champion anymore!?

Samoa Joe being Fat has nothing to do with my point. My point is that the guy had everything needed to become a grade A main eventer, he could talk, he could work, he had the look, he had the crowd. TNA however, gave him a short title reign where he got owned by Booker T and since losing to the title, TNA has dropped the ball with him so bad that he basically had to go away and reboot himself before coming back to work in a tag team.

WWEs women division hasnt been good since 2006, same with the Tag division.

Christian is awesome and Im glad he got himself two world title reigns, though how the IWC reacted to them and his Orton fued is what caused me to finally leave for good. Those people simply dont know how and dont want to enjoy wrestling at all.

Zecke is just another big steriod guy with 3 moves that Vince always loves to push despite the fact that nobody cares about them, they suck completly, and they will never last more then a couple years at most.

I loved Mark Henry as champion. After coasting for over a decade, he finally put some effort into his career and put on some really really good matches and promo's. I hope he doesnt fall back into nothing.

I dont care about AJ at all...or any Diva for that matter, except Kelly Kelly...cause she is hot.

Triple H...meh. I got tired of playing that game back in 2003.

Yes, that was a pun, yes it was stupid.

I have no issue with Orton really, I think the RKO is one of the best finishers in WWE and the guy can put on good matches. He could stand to lose a couple matches though.

On a side note, I love Kane. The guy has been a favorite of mine for over 10 years and I was so happy when he won the World Title in 2010. He will never hold it again and will lose to Orton at Mania if they wrestle, but Kane deserves so much better then what WWE has given him over the years.

by Harrier Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:04 pm

Like it or not, Swagger is a very good athlete and can even overcome a Sandbagger like A-Ry. He has the Vickie Mothpiece now and was my favorite Heel Champion in the last years after Edge cause he wasn't such a chicken shit heel, that really bugs me.
And I ain't happy with all the guys i want to see midcard or hihger midcard/main event, but it's all they got left(Hunico is already old for an luchador for WWe Standards). And when they are allowed to speak, they get comfortable with in in time i guess, not everyone is a Morrison in that department(who was really horrible at the mic as face).
So if WWE wants to come out of the doghouse, the either need to hit the indies for talent(like they recently have with KoW) or bring in Managers and Valets again.

*Morrison for example. Everything at this guy screams Tweener/Heel Rude/Michaels Character to me. Drop the feather or fur jacket and use the old leather jacket again and get him a lady with the looks of Brooke Tessmacher and some talent for acting as a corporate secretary for Morrison. Usually a shrewd business lady who has fallen for the looks of the Shaman of Sexy and moved to his Palace of Wisdom to manage his business where he resides, looks good in the background and is forbidden to put that silly grin on.
*McIntyre. He's scottish and sinister, let him be proud of his warrior ancestors like Sheamus, a dominant heel that wins matches and not squashes like Mr. Perfect in his best times or Batista. A sure winner in my eyes.
*Gabriel, yeah, that's not too easy. Maybe make him a werewolf like his nickname?
*Kidd is easy. Let Bret Hart put him over by stressing that he is the last guy who was trained by the Harts, not some Moron who talks about in on NXT. Let him look more like Natalia, who was really over at a time with that for a diva.

Who would you see in the mainevent/upper midcard/solid midcard if not these guys(Rhodes and Ziggler are destined to go that way, so they don't count)? Alberto del Rio? Richardo Rodriguez? A-Ry? Mason Ryan? Hunico? Slater(Everyone loves to hate that guy^^)?

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