About Star Wars 8..;

Old_Man_Tai wrote:Poe himself is a terrible character here. In the first film, you got that he was the Solo archetype. Doesn't always play by the rules, but is a good soldier and has a good heart.

Here, he's an arrogant fucker who thinks way too highly of himself and comes off as a traitorous asshole who should have been locked up for his mutiny. But of course, he has to look bad, so that the women look good/powerful by comparison against him.

To be fair, "arrogant fucker who thinks way too highly of himself" is pretty much still the Solo archetype. The difference here is that Poe actually gets called on it, and it doesn't always magically work out okay for everyone. I think it's an interesting spin on the archetype to show that kind of behavior backfiring.

I agree that his plotline is flawed and unsatisfying in places, but I don't think it's because of any filmmaker agenda to promote women leaders at the expense of men. Personally I thought the admiral came across as a haughty dumbass as well. I'd say the problem here is the sub-plot's use of the "Poor Communication Kills" trope, which is often frustrating for an audience to watch (in fact, my other half didn't like the film for that very reason).

Other random thoughts on the film's criticisms:

Having a bunch of bad guys hang out in a big golden casino might be a little on-the-nose for some people, but it's not too different from the stuff with Jabba's Palace in the original trilogy. "Slave ownership sucks" has ALWAYS been a Star Wars theme.

Don't worry about the lack of Snoke backstory. Star Wars is basically two franchises in one now, and while the "main" films progress the plotline in the usual gung-ho, wizards-and-WW2-dogfights-in-space kinda way, I'll bet the "story" films backfill all the worldbuilding. In other words, I'm sure that Disney will be selling you tickets to "Snoke: A Star Wars Story" in a few years' time.

Why does everyone think Phasma is dead? She survived being locked in a trash compactor in an exploding planet in the first one. She'll be back (with a badass bionic eye) in the third... presumably to die a disappointingly slapstick death again, as per tradition.

OMG YOU GUYS! THE HAMISH REPLIED TO A THING I SAID.


My life on AFW is officially complete. I shall now retire, and fade into the west, and remain Tai.

So according to the video Mark Hamil is annoyed that people hate on George Lucas because the original trilogy was obviously so good or has at least so much sunk in the collective mind that people would judge any movie relating to Star Wars at the bar they raised.
I am pretty sure that George Lucas can rejoice at the thought of the billions of dollars the franchise has earned even before the prequels and from the millions of people that feverishly waited for him to say that this or that is canon. And even the prequels raked in tons of money. Up until SW7, Episode 1 made the most money out of all SW movies.

To give Hamilton some credit, some people take their fandom much too serious and especially Sci-Fi and Fantasy fans are rightfully known to be nitpickerish, geeky and creepy(me included). Alone the thought about a guy in a Chewbaca costume coming close to me feels a little bit creepy though. But I don´t think it is really hate, it is disappointment that commerce wins over childhood memory.

Regarding Poe, I think the difference is that Han Solo is independent and could have said the alliance anytime to not count on him again, so everything he gives the alliance is voluntary. This changes only in the third film when he is promoted to General! from scratch, which also casts a serious doubt about the military structure of the alliance. I am also pretty sure that if it had not been for Leia, Solo would have flewn off as soon as his little problem with Jabba had been solved.

*Sigh* I feel I have to post on this... Its funny when I compare my reluctance to post on this thread in comparison to my eagerness on this thread 2 years ago.

Incase it wasn't obvious from that, I did not enjoy The Last Jedi... In fact I haven’t felt *this* disappointment over something that I love since the Mass Effect 3 ending debacle. My reluctance to post is partly because I hoped time would allow me to look on the film in a better light,

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but also because if I were to start listing the problems I had with the film, I’d rant for a day on it only for someone to think "Well, here's another nitpicker... hater for hating sake... Star Wars original fan boy who can't except anything other than the originals." and I find it annoying that you have to be one of those people because you did not like a movie.

Anyway, some have already brought up a number of the problems... So instead I'm going to try and summaries the root cause behind these issues, the reason why the problems (that I had with the film) exist. I’ve got it down to 3, although not *every* problem that I personally had can be explained by them, most of them can.


1. Multiple consecutive writers

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2. Single writer as aposed to co writers

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3. Quantity over Quality in characters

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Oh and a bonus tip that I have learnt from Rian Johnson in all of this... Cock teasing in your story is not the same as having a plot twist

It's a real shame cause I felt so excited after Force Awakens to see and hear more. Now I have no excitement or mystery... instead I just have a sense of inevitability... they'll keep churning out star wars films each year and I'll watch it cause its star wars whether good or bad... Mickey Mouse has got his three fingered gloved hands on my short and curlys >.<

I find it pretty funny that Mickey Mouse from all icons has turned into a symbol of commerce for so many people instead of lets say Dagobert Duck from the same company.

Strange enough Disney has produced a host of superb movies beside nearly the same number that are utter trash. You could think that studios would do away with terrible directors, but Zack Snyder and Michael Bay show that studios prefer to milk the very last dollar out of a franchise to then watch it turn cold for decades because the next one is just around the corner.

I am surely not watching Snoke the movie or Young Han Solo. I was already very reluctant to watch Rogue One and was fully encouraged in that reluctance. If Disney thinks I am swallowing every piece of BS they churn out just because it is cannonically approved they are on the wrong path. Why should I even consider watching a movie that is reportedly heaed by a guy that is so terribly bad as Han Solo that Disney had to hire an acting coach for him right in the middle of production?

Kylo's lightsaber style
I don't really think Kylo Ren was trained in one of the main 7 lightsaber styles while Rey was beginning to practice Shien style which I think was also Anakin's initial style in clone wars. If he was it looked like a really piss poor Makashi style which you can easily see from Dooku's fight in the prequels.

Sorry that I had to necro this, but I guess it will uplift Kelsea a little:
Solo, a Star Wars story, is out for 6 weeks and sits at place 289 of the list of highest grossing movies today. Not bad for a movie in general, but a disaster for SW.

Right behind it is the terrible Godzilla movie, right in front of it is the 33 year old back to the future. It will still climb a few ranks, but the chance that it hits just Top 200 is really slim, it would have to earn 105 Millions to achieve that.

So terrible writing finally begins to demand its tribute.^^

Solo was mediocre at best, and it couldn't even make its budget back with its domestic release. It's a floppy flop of flopping, and everyone involved should feel bad about it.

For the record:

Months later, I still think Episode 8 was fine. Not a masterpiece, has its problems, but I think it’s a solid watch, and it’s damn sure better than any of the prequels, at least on the bare basics of what a movie should have in its bones.

I though Solo was okay. Just okay. Lando was a highlight, loved him every moment he was on screen. Thought the guy who played Han did a decent job - not super good, but he wasn’t as godawful as the rumors made it sound.

If you disagree fine. I’m kind of done arguing about it, and I hope you get the Star Wars movies you want in the future.

Oh, and if you think Disney pays off people for good reviews...no offense, but you’re kind of a moron.

I for the most part agree with Acuya here, but I thought episode 8 was fine the first time I watched it. Though my stance is mostly, as a movie it's fine, as a part of star wars canon and stuff it's kinda bad. 

Though I lost my attachment and interest for the franchise a long time ago. So none of that bothers me a lot. 

As a whole, this new generation of star wars isn't for me, but they are at their core pretty decent movies. It's a bit like what Mark Hamil said, that it's not our star wars, it's a new generations star wars. That's how i choose to see it. 

Solo I haven't seen and I don't want to see. I have no interest in it, it's not cause of some boycott or anything, I just don't really care about a Han Solo movie, don't think he needs one. Sort of how I wouldn't really go see a Hawkeye movie if they made one, cool character, fun in the avengers movies, but I don't want to see a whole movie about him.