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Post by acuyra Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:04 am

I don't have the time right now to go into much detail, but I wanted to get this off my chest.

Long story short: I saw Star Wars 8. Liked it. Can understand why some hate it. That's fine. It's not a perfect movie, I respect opinions.

But - BUT - I do feel there's kind of a point where I have to draw a line, so I want to say this: If you don't like Star Wars 8, okay...but it's not the worst Star Wars movie. It is objectively not worse than the prequels. I don't understand how a logical human being could even make that argument. It would be like saying...just to use the first analogy that comes to my head...that Avengers 2 is worse than Batman v. Superman. Yes, the former isn't perfect and has its critics and isn't as good as the first, but that doesn't mean it's a trainwreck like the former.

So, yeah. Rant over.

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Post by Serpon Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:27 am

So some spoilers, be warned:

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Post by RadiantKarna332 Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:54 am

Person wrote:So some spoilers, be warned:

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Agreed with other points, though. May have different opinions, but I don't feel like mentioning them here.

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Post by acuyra Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:11 am

A few things.

Spoiler:

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Post by Harrier Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:55 am

I agree that it is not much worse of a movie than SW7.
But I also agree with Person that it is a big FU to many people who are diehard SW fans or who expect some background and sense in their Sci Fi movies. Luckily they run out of people to kill off that I like with each movie.

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Post by Cy_Man Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:48 am

I'd rather watch the Star Wars prequels then ever watch The Last Jedi ever again, I never felt such anger and rage towards a movie before and I hate it even more then I hated The Force Awakens and that movie nearly made me scream in the movie theater. OH MY GOD! I was so hellbent on screaming, what a piece of shit movie and just like what person said, it was a big FUCK YOU to both fans of the series and the series itself, I cannot believe that the books and comics that continued the Star Wars story after Return of the Jedi was retconned for this crap....

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Post by Harrier Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:18 am

Oh, I forgot:

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Post by acuyra Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:09 pm

Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion and whatever. I can see why people would have some problems with certain things, especially the more hardcore fans.

...at the same time, though, I just cannot get with people saying its worse than the prequels. I feel some people are forgetting just how aggressively bad and boring those movies could be. And keep in mind, I liked the prequels far more than most people do. I'm one of those guys who says Revenge of the Sith was a pretty good film, and I'll defend the others to a point.

This is a better film than those. Even if you disagree with the choices, in terms of the way a movie is supposed to work, the barebones, the skeleton of it, Episode 8 is better than 1-3. I'm sorry, good sirs, on this rock I must stand.

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Post by Cy_Man Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:27 pm

The prequels are better then The Last Jedi because at least they TRIED to be good despite their flaws and actually explained and answered very important questions that kept piling up in the original trilogy. Who was Darth Vader? What was the Clone Wars and how did it start? How was the Empire founded and how did they conquer the Galaxy? What exactly caused the Jedi to go extinct besides Vader? What was the Jedi order like? What were Emperor Palpatine's origin? Etc etc. The prequels answered these questions and at least gave us some sweet lightsaber battles that are epic as hell. Also, I grew up with the prequels so they grown on me but unlike most i can see past their flaws and enjoy them for what they are.

The Last Jedi does NONE of this and more which completely ruins the experience, it didn't try to be good OR original and nothing was explained. Especially on Snoke, who was literally only thrown in this to be a big bad evil figure head and we know absolutely nothing about him. Because of this, as bad as they were in their ways, the Star Wars prequels are much better then The Last Jedi, imho.

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Post by Harrier Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:35 pm

Phantom Menace is good because of a few things:
*Droidica and droids in general.
*Darth Maul, Obi Wan and Qui Gon Jin battle.
*The deep connection between Qui gon Jin and Obi Wan. Qui Gon is the perfect teacher and Obi Wan the perfect student.
*The battle Droids vs. Gungens
Everything else is just garbage in it´s purest form.

Attack of the Clones is good because of:
*Anakin and Obi Wan chase the Assassin
*Count Dooku vs Anakin and Obi Wan
*Count Dooku vs Joda
*Obi Wan vs Jango Fett
*Mace Windu vs Jango Fett
*Clones vs Droids
*The fall of Anakin and the desperate scream of Qui Gon Jin
Everything else is garbage. It would go as far to say that I like Episode I more than Episode II.

Revenge of the Sith is good because:
*The birth of Darth Vader
*The Emperor vs Joda
*The Emperor and Anakin vs Mace Windu
*Order 66
*Wookies vs Droids
*Anakin vs Count Dooku
*Anakin vs Obi Wan(YOU WERE MY BROTHER!)
The Rest of the movie is okayish. Probably the best of the Prequels.

The new ones are merely the massacres of the old guard while the new guard could not shine up until here, although the movies in general are fun and not bad as standalone movies but the continuation and background really blows.
I really, really hope that SW9 will heave me out of the shoes again but after the last 2 movies I don´t have much hope for it.


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