We Should Talk About The Title Scene

TheRacker wrote:

-No established rules/pre-requisites:
Well, my initial thoughts to this were "no way, that's horrible idea". It would just encourage people to revolve threads around getting a belt instead of developing a story and having fun. However, stated actual examples makes lot of sense.

• no user having multiple titles on their character roster at any given time
  
• the age of an account before a user's character is ready to challenge for a championship
  
• the number of matches a character has fought before they can compete for an accolade
  
• a title holder needing to defend their championship within a reasonable real life time frame or be forced to vacate it
  

You brought up some points which were part of some of my ideas for chance but what about if you have a stable in regards to the multiple titles on your characters roster. As i think a look at all the gold we got moment could be interesting and could show a stable's dominance in a certain way. What i would suggest if this were to happen is that we make a rule that would make it so that if you do got a stable and they hold multiple championship at the same time you try to lose all but one within say a month or two after winning it.

The second two things in this list makes sense and are something i think everyone can agree with as it makes sense. An idea i had in my head was to place the belts in shall we say an age requirement but that is something to discuss for another time.

As for the last thing in your list i think around two months of inaction with defending your title should be a reasonable real life time frame as that is about as long as the summer vacation for school in some countries.

TheRacker wrote:These were exactly my thoughts when reading through this thread. And on top of that, believe that it was mentioned that such a complaints aren't new.
So, there is basically reoccurring problem with huge thread and yet, you're all so blinded and convinced that everything is okay.
Just because some of you are long time members of afwrpg.com, it doesn't mean that you should act like some kind of untouchable gods.

This comes off as extremely condescending, dude. No one is acting like an untouchable god. To be honest, a lot of your post is rubbing me the wrong way and to be honest a lot of it makes you seem like kind of an asshole, but I'll be nice and humor you.

-The number available and the diversity:
The very least that can be added are some extra belts for Tension, since it's quite behind the friction regarding amount of belts and popularity. Maybe having more belts available would encourage more activity there?

Tension's smaller number of belts has nothing to do with it's popularity. Even back in the day when they had a closer number of belts, Friction was always more popular. This is primarily a female based fighting fetish site. Friction's greater popularity is due to that. Most of the people on the site care more about female stuff because that's what they're interested in. More belts won't magically make Tension more popular.

[*]no user having multiple titles on their character roster at any given time

This has literally never been a problem on the site. It was almost an issue once or twice, but it got taken care of.

[*]the age of an account before a user's character is ready to challenge for a championship

This isn't really an issue either. If someone joins the site, is a great writer, gets along with people well, and people think they deserve a title shot, why not give it to them?

[*]the number of matches a character has fought before they can compete for an accolade

Similar to above. The number of matches a character has fought in shouldn't determine whether they get a title shot or not.

[*]a title holder needing to defend their championship within a reasonable real life time frame or be forced to vacate it

Again, this has almost never been an issue. Maybe it's came up once or twice in the past ten years, but it's never been a major problem.

Concerning these four proposed rules, it feels like you want to add rules just for the sake of having them, and again, we're a rules light freeform RP site. We don't need to add more rules just for the sake of having rules, especially when they're about things that haven't been an issue.

- It's not what you know, it's who you know:
Now this is in my opinion most important point and thing that require most attention. I heard some reasons through the thread from "veterans" and most of this sounded like a lame excuse.
"PM us if you want a match..." Well guess what. We send pm and get rejected/ignored. Than we try again and same thing happen. And again and again.
"I almost never got asked for belt/match..." Related to first point. After a while we (or at least me) gived up asking self proclaimed veterans for matches. Why bother wasting time reading through all character bios and trying to find nice potential match when there is 90% chance of getting rejected/ignored - waste of time. And about not being asked for title match - that's the biggest bullshit excuse i can hear. Even getting match or RP is hard and now you expect us to just walk to you like that and ask for belt?
"We don't need to PM you, you need to PM us..." Or Your Highness can stop showing arrogance and start communicating - you know, another point that was mentioned in thread.

No offense, but you're the one showing arrogance here. You're acting like no one ever messages newer people and tries to help them out.

Guess what? A LOT of veterans on this site have reached out in the past to newer people and tried to set things up with me. Maybe not belt related things, but things none-the-less. Myself, acuya, Tatyina and 'mouse when they were here, Tai...all of us, and more that I'm not listing for the sake of space, have reached out to newbies before. Tat especially, was constantly messaging myself and others to ask them about different newbies and how they were doing and if they had potential for story/title related things.

Stop putting the blame for your not getting attention on others. That's what this thread is coming off as. You're coming off as whiny and expecting others to just hand you title shots instead of having to actually work for them. Because you know what? Here's a little secret. Most of the people on this site that have held titles? We had to work our asses off to earn our title reigns. Almost none of us just had them handed to us. We had to work out asses off and be patient and improve ourselves and actually communicate and show interest and let the people in charge know we wanted titles. We didn't make threads going WHY WON'T ANYONE GIVE ME A TITLE. We put in damn effort and hard work for them.

Maybe some of y'all should try that too. I'm just saying.

anime_hentaifighter wrote:As for the last thing in your list i think around two months of inaction with defending your title should be a reasonable real life time frame as that is about as long as the summer vacation for school in some countries.

2 is a bit too small. 3 seems reasonable

I will not even dispute that there are/were several closed door clubs here. Recently a person on this forum who I was writing with for years resigned over this fact, and it made me angry how some harsh comments hastened this process. Saying nice and politely what you want is not the strongest suit of this forum. Maybe you can find solace in the idea that it was even much worse here and a guy I would not have excepted to greet me in a shady porn cinema in the fashion he did actually managed the bios of new members here.  

Still you are wrong when you assume that you someday get invited into the veteran´s gentleman club or something or that we refuse to play with new people. Dynamo44 and kaz for example were never members of such clubs as far as I can tell, and Dynamo was active since 2010. Tatyina may have been central in such a club, but you could not in any form say that he refused to bring in new people.

Edit: If i don´t play with someone, it´s not because I think he is not here long enough. i don´t play with him because I do not like his characters, fetishes or attitude. Nobody would be helped if I regularly played in tension for example. I can be guilt tripped into it, but my concentration and fun in it quickly suffers.

Vcom7418 wrote:

anime_hentaifighter wrote:As for the last thing in your list i think around two months of inaction with defending your title should be a reasonable real life time frame as that is about as long as the summer vacation for school in some countries.

2 is a bit too small. 3 seems reasonable

Alright was just going with the biggest vacation period that i knew of but 3 months sounds alright and a time i can find myself agreeing too.

Alexandra wrote:Stop putting the blame for your not getting attention on others. That's what this thread is coming off as. You're coming off as whiny and expecting others to just hand you title shots instead of having to actually work for them. Because you know what? Here's a little secret. Most of the people on this site that have held titles? We had to work our asses off to earn our title reigns. Almost none of us just had them handed to us. We had to work out asses off and be patient and improve ourselves and actually communicate and show interest and let the people in charge know we wanted titles. We didn't make threads going WHY WON'T ANYONE GIVE ME A TITLE. We put in damn effort and hard work for them.

Maybe some of y'all should try that too. I'm just saying.

Just wanna say, absolute bogus. Not the part about you guys not working for it, but implying this thread is a 'give me a title' thread.

Alright everyone this is a thread for discussing not finger pointing please. As i find it far more easier to just point at someone and say this or that and that's not the point of this discussing. The point was that some people myself included feels that the title scene could benefit from chance and that is it.

The same goes for the argument that we are demanding titles with this thread so can we please stop all the accusations and just focus on what was the point of the thread.

scorn53 wrote:Just wanna say, absolute bogus. Not the part about you guys not working for it, but implying this thread is a 'give me a title' thread.

*shrug* That might not be the intention, but that's how it's coming off.

Alexandra wrote:

scorn53 wrote:Just wanna say, absolute bogus. Not the part about you guys not working for it, but implying this thread is a 'give me a title' thread.

*shrug* That might not be the intention, but that's how it's coming off.

Too be fair it only started when you and some of the others started accusing people that this was the point of the thread. With that being said it was also the finger pointing that lead to people arguing about other stuff besides what was the point of this thread when winner3 started it yesterday

Alexandra wrote:

scorn53 wrote:Just wanna say, absolute bogus. Not the part about you guys not working for it, but implying this thread is a 'give me a title' thread.

*shrug* That might not be the intention, but that's how it's coming off.

Because this thread has been completely derailed. It's switching between "Here's aload of solutions I've thought of off the top of my head to fix this here and now" and "You newbies need to grin and bare it, we did, nothings gonna change."

We've addressed there is a issue. 18 Coming up to 19 pages shows that. Denying it at this point just further highlights there's a issue with communication, LET ALONE anything else.

HOW we go about addressing it (who fucking knows, maybe everyone just needs a stern word without actual digs been made at either side?) should be done elsewhere where cooler heads will prevail. Not in a thread that at this point is only getting the reaction of "Jesus Titty Fucking Christ is this shit still going."

EDIT: Scratch that, this IS 19 pages. It's about to overtake the Instant Messaging thread in views. That is awkward.