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To the handful of you that keep bothering me about boxing...

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Post by UrbanChamp Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:14 pm

[quote="anegge":37342cr0][quote="UrbanChamp":37342cr0]I'm willing to bet I love boxing more than anyone here. But, the only kind of boxing I'd even care about RPing would be bare-knuckle rules. Seems that would fall into the category of the Last Man Standing special fight.

Normal match categories don't apply to alternative arena matches.

http://afwrpg.informe.com/forum/boxing-federation-f54/

I knew that. Totally different activity.




[quote="Bluemouse":37342cr0]UC, if you want to join the boxing federation, you've got to reaaally love boxing.

So oh yeah? How MUCH do you love boxing?


Well, I'm well read on it. I have a lot of books (both e-book and paper) on the general history of boxing from the Greco-Roman days to the earliest champion-deciding events in the 1700s up to now, and various training manuals (e-book and paper, stuff from the 1700s to now). I base my personal fitness routine around stuff that boxers, wrestlers, MMA fighters, and old school (generally speaking, before the 1960s) weightlifters do. I train in actual boxing with other people when I can, and I'll also compete full contact as well. If the yearly local toughman event fits my work schedule and my mind and body is ready ("my body is ready"...LOL) I will get into it. I wish I could actually fight every few months or so instead of MAYBE once a year. But, honestly, I don't really like watching it. Not the stuff today anyway. I don't really like anyone who's active now, especially the heavyweights. There are strong, beastly hitters like David Tua, and some big, tall guys in there too like the Super Klitchko Bros. but their skill level ranges from sorry as hell to so-so, as far as pro boxers are concerned and when comparing them to everyone who came before them. Most of these guys today don't even really look like boxers with trim, sleek, strong, athletic physiques. Most of them look like overly muscled bodybuilders who've been pumping dumbbells and toning their abs instead of spending time learning how to actually box better, and some of the heavyweights have guts. On their boxing technique, I need to rant a bit. Roy Jones made the mistake of relying too much on his natural freakish athletic ability instead of learning proper boxing and when he got older and couldn't move fast like that anymore he got hit more and lost more. Mayweather will experience the same thing, mark my words. Ali, despite his very awesome accomplishments, made a similar mistake too (he only used straight punches, really didn't go to the body, relied on leaning away for defense, etc) and it made itself very evident near the end of his career when he started losing. I think Ali started the trend of boxing with a style like that. It attracts attention and is visually impressive which is good for ratings and ticket sales, but it's not functional in the long run and it can backfire on you. These flawed boxers today are literally godlike compared to someone untrained of course, but obviously amateurish compared to most of the guys at the top of the food chain in the 90s (a younger Mike Tyson had good fundamental boxing technique to go with his in-fighting barrages), and especially Gene Tunney and Joe Louis and they were from the 1920s and 30s. Anyone with true skill and not just a pair of heavy hands today, regardless of weight class, is someone who's old and about to retire because they were at their physical prime in the 90s but they're still lingering around in the sport today for money (Holyfield) or because their weight class has so many jobbers that they aren't truly threatened by anyone so they can hang onto their belts and/or improve their record and make money every 6 months or so (Hopkins). I watch the classic fights, thanks to YouTube. 1980s...maybe some fights from the 1990s...and then on back as far as you can go when they had old ass cameras that they had to turn with a crank (bitches don't know 'bout Bob Fitzsimmons vs Jim Corbett, 1897 heavyweight title match).


[quote="Vivian":37342cr0][quote="UrbanChamp":37342cr0]I'm willing to bet I love boxing more than anyone here. But, the only kind of boxing I'd even care about RPing would be bare-knuckle rules. Seems that would fall into the category of the Last Man Standing special fight.

You sure about that?? You love boxing more than anyone around here?? Wbu me?? :p

And uhhh...I sort of like bareknuckle match too ;p ,I often do it on the YM but since my YM is experiencing some error ,I have,t had that fun yet in this couple of weeks -.-

Old school bareknuckle match is a fave but boxing beats it ;p

Well, with the info I provided, I think I might like it moar than you, Vivian. IF YOUR BODY IS READY, one day we can see how much you really like it. <img src=" title="Razz" />

It's just that the idea of RPing only using, basically, 4 moves (lead punch, cross, hook, uppercut) seems kinda hard to do. I guess you really would have to love it to really get into it like that, but I love it in a different way I guess.

As for the bareknuckle matches...well...it depends on the specific rules too. Real life rules based on certain eras of old bareknuckle boxing, or customized rules for the RP.

[quote="Alexandra":37342cr0]Psh. Neither one of you love it as much as Ryoko/Jessica. You two ain't got nothin' on her. <img src=" title="Neutral" />

*goes into egotistical, angry old man mode*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7_LreuSY3Y&feature=related

...WHAT!?

Who's Ryoko/Jessica? Who's this person, who's obviously a woman, who you say likes boxing more than ME??? You got some explainin' to do, doll-face!

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Post by Bluemouse Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:56 pm

I didn't read your wall of text, I just thought I'd mention that I was roughly referencing Life Of Brian.

Edit: I skimmed it, and you sound like someone who doesn't box. That's all I really wanted to know.


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Post by UrbanChamp Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:18 am

[quote="Bluemouse":1gsm4d2m]I didn't read your wall of text, I just thought I'd mention that I was roughly referencing Life Of Brian.

Edit: I skimmed it, and you sound like someone who doesn't box. That's all I really wanted to know.

Life of Brian? Dunno what it is...

Skimmed? <img src=" title="Crying or Very Sad" /> Why not actually read it. Don't be a lazy mouse! <img src=" title="Mad" />

I sound like someone who doesn't box? What is someone who boxes supposed to sound like? Is someone who boxes supposed to like hentai? <img src=" title="Neutral" />

Mean mouse is mean...


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Post by Bluemouse Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:29 am

Life Of Brian is a Monty Python movie. And DO you box?

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Post by UrbanChamp Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:34 am

[quote="Bluemouse":23n8abve]Life Of Brian is a Monty Python movie. And DO you box?

Argh!

Read what I wrote! No skimming this time! <img src=" title="Razz" />


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Post by Bluemouse Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:30 am

I re-skimmed it. Anything more would require that you acquaint yourself with the "enter" key. >_<

I will note that you train boxing in some capacity, but I am eternally weary of the "everything was better before the stuff that people like now" routine. Most of the time, there are other factors involved. Granted, I think the tradition of boxing is dying off due to the boxing promotions being dirty and stupid and producing an environment in which boring fights were more advantageous to the boxer than to give it 100%.

Still. I don't devote a lot of time to following boxing, because it's dumb, but I'm generally very hesitant to condemn every single person in the sport under the age of 40. There are people that I think are really good, but generally they're just people I know personally, and that only means that they're much better than me, which is pretty much how it works with anything.

And shame on you for making me talk about this! I was trying to avoid it. >_<

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Post by CenaFan1991 Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:35 am

And shame on you for making me talk about this! I was trying to avoid it. >_<
And yet you snarked about it several times. If you don't want to talk about it, you sure didn't give that impression.

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Post by Bluemouse Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:42 am

Hey, there's a surprise. My biggest fan shows up to take shots at me.

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Post by Alexandra Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:43 am

Love and peace, guys. Love and peace. :P
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Post by Old_Man_Tai Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:30 am

@ Alex: Are you Vash the Stampede from Trigun? "LOVE AND PEACE! LOVE AND PEACE! LOVE AND PEACE!"

@Urban: Advice for the future. When doing those long as posty thingies about old stuff...or anything, please try to use the enter button at appropriate areas. It makes things much easier and makes it more interesting to read. That way, nobody skips it, or has to re-read lines of it by accident several times like I did.

Also, Jessica/Ryoko is actually a dude. Not a secret. Also, why did you write your response in a way that implied that a woman's opinion of boxing couldn't possibly compare to yours? If that was meant to be a joke, it did not come off as one.

I don't watch boxing for the same reason I don't watch UFC/MMA. Watching people go around in a circle punching each other in the face, or crawling on top of each other, does not appeal to me. I watch pro wrestling because its more athletic, more entertaining (to me, if no one else), and I can go to sleep after watching it with a clean conscience. I dislike boxing/MMA and usually dislike its fans, because the vast majority of fans of those sports that I have interacted with are the same kind of people who, if they saw two homeless people fighting over a scrap of meat, would stop and watch and laugh about it, instead of realizing how fucked up that is.

The fact that there are a vast amount of people who can make a good living by going on tv and PPV and going "Look at me! I am a giant, self centered, jackass who never learned anything useful, so I just beat people up for money now! What a great contribution to society I am making!"

Granted, Pro Wrestling may not be a huge contribution to society either, but at least they are better then the guys that get to say "Hey, I broke this guys jaw and nose tonight, and hit him in the head so many times that he has a grade 2 concussion and will, in the future, have severe brain damage because I started smashing his head in after he had already fallen to the ground...aren't I just an awesome person you want your kids around?"

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