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Post by Old_Man_Tai Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:39 am

[quote="anegge":17hav7uz]This thread.


No one may accuse me of "never showing restraint" ever again.


[quote="Soiuku":17hav7uz]
Where is that quote from Anegge?~

The Jerk, a 1979 film starring Steve Martin.


Awwww, I wanted to see you let loose....


Anyway, Soiuku, I have to agree with what Bluemouse said. Its like that whole "Why are all your characters boring/not unique while mine are all" thread that popped up a while back. You were asking a neutral question, not trying to accuse one way or another, but since you were attempting to be neutral and were basically distancing yourself from the question, it made you come off as a egotistic jerk. The neutral stance you took also explained why you appeared to legit have not a single clue why every single person that responded on that thread was offended by what you said. Since you were being neutral, you didnt think you could be criticised by what you said and didnt seem to think there was any problem with your statement in anyway.

To make it simple. Being neutral doesnt work, in the end, it just makes you look arrogant, above everyone, and stupid when it comes to not understanding criticism.

Next time, pick the side that has the most beer.

Beer is good.

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Post by Bluemouse Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:02 pm

To be a bit more blunt, there's nothing neutral about self centered. Your usage of the term neutrality is a meaningless buzz word that you're trying to use to justify why despite all the people saying that you're an egotistical jerk, you're really just too smart and committed to higher ideals that they don't understand. You're not clueless, you have just chosen to lodge your head far enough up your ass that you never have to actually look at yourself in the mirror.

I'll emphasize this: other people are the very best mirror. If everyone else in the world told me I was acting like a jerk, I wouldn't try to think up a reason that they're wrong. Being a jerk is defined by how other people feel about you. There's no objectivity to it. There's some room for misunderstanding, but even if you're well intentioned, if people say you're coming off as a jerk, that's on you and not them.

Being able to develop and maintain deep and satisfying interpersonal relationships is beyond crucial. The trick to managing it is that you have to be willing to set your own interests aside in favor of those of the people around you. Hope I wasn't too rough here, but I'm sure instead of taking offense you'll come back with more talk about being neutral and misunderstood and how you're just too smart for any of this to be true.

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Post by Soiuku Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:00 am

I am well meaning usually; but I try and balance what I say Blue~

If I admit to everything you say then its acceptance of being called a jerk, egotistical and esssentially using neutrality as a fake and non existant buffer zone so to speak; yet if I defend myself too much then I just rub off worse whereas doing and saying nothing leads people to question my stance on what you think about me. So really, I'm not sure about how to respond to that comment because there is no neutral ground or good outcome for all involved; how should I answer then?~

So. when do I directly, intentionally and openly bring my intelligence or others into direct question? I don't do that and I find that comment to not help me much other than saying I come off as being too superior sounding I really can't help how people read my posts and interpret the tone so honestly I'm lost as to how to do anything about that part~

I assume neutrality not because of intelligence or a mask to hide behind but because I want to avoid causing fights, not have to take sides and lose friends, and because I just want to get along~

And if the world says you're a loser, the world isn't right because they believe it, being a jerk was a personal discovery whereas IRL people I know say I'm one of the nicest people they've ever known, but that I talk too much and that even though I'm awkward and hard to understand at first I'm a dreamer at heart. But yes, if people say I'm ajerk it might very well be true; in fact I do consider myself to be a jerk, but its what you really are on the inside, not what people say you are, because not everyone knows you well enough to make a definite decision. This is the internet and its not easy for me to say what I want without coming out wrong or being offensive by accident~

What I'm trying to say is that my tone and feelings aren't easy for me to say without causing problems; if I took offense then would that actually help me? Then I just come off as a jerk who is attacking someone over words said on the internet, but while it would show a break from neutrality I can't see that part helping me when it leads to hostilities and breaks my personal code of avoiding conflicts and making friends and moving on, but reall I'm not sure if that post was meant to be humorous~ ^^"


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Post by Soiuku Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:25 am

[quote="TaiKamiya":13elpk26][quote="anegge":13elpk26]This thread.


No one may accuse me of "never showing restraint" ever again.


[quote="Soiuku":13elpk26]
Where is that quote from Anegge?~

The Jerk, a 1979 film starring Steve Martin.


Awwww, I wanted to see you let loose....


Anyway, Soiuku, I have to agree with what Bluemouse said. Its like that whole "Why are all your characters boring/not unique while mine are all" thread that popped up a while back. You were asking a neutral question, not trying to accuse one way or another, but since you were attempting to be neutral and were basically distancing yourself from the question, it made you come off as a egotistic jerk. The neutral stance you took also explained why you appeared to legit have not a single clue why every single person that responded on that thread was offended by what you said. Since you were being neutral, you didnt think you could be criticised by what you said and didnt seem to think there was any problem with your statement in anyway.

To make it simple. Being neutral doesnt work, in the end, it just makes you look arrogant, above everyone, and stupid when it comes to not understanding criticism.

Next time, pick the side that has the most beer.

Beer is good.

I agree that the last thread I made in General was badly handled and I do regret that one~
However, I have no desire to rehash that bag of Badgers~

Judges are neutral and so are mediators and middlemen?~
Understanding criticism isn't the problem; while it looks like I don't understand criticism I do try and adjust to cause minimal problems; this thread seems far more civil than the other one right? I don't immediately adjust, I try and defuse the situation first because it seems right to clean up your own mess and apologize rather than leave a trail of enemies in your wake~

I much prefer Brandy, Irish Malt or Rum please~

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Post by Soiuku Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:30 am

[quote="Tatyina":3j4lee0h][size=150:3j4lee0h]What makes a good man go neutral? Lust for gold? Power?
Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

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[size=150:3j4lee0h]I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif.
With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows?
It sickens me.

I have to admit; that is funny~ x"D
I'm neutral because I want to avoid conflicts and just have fun~

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Post by Bluemouse Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:03 am

I'll admit, you got my hopes up with your op. Pretty disappointed. I'm done, though, the amount of effort it would take to sift through your bullshit would be too time consuming and aggravating. Life's too short.

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Post by Old_Man_Tai Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:22 am

So if I understand that correctly, and to be honest, Im probally wrong here. But what your saying here is that you think or know that your a jerk, yet you dont want to agree with someone saying your a jerk, because that makes you a jerk.....Moving on.

Look, your biggest problem here buddy, with the whole "stay in the grey area" deal is the fact that this IS the Internet...there is no neutral, there is no grey area. Trying to go about and not cause problems is very very hard to do.

You know what, theres a Blaze Bayley song called Faceless Man that I think sums up your deal, its about a man who tried very hard to be a man that no one hates, he stayed in the grey area, never trying to make waves or cause problems.

Heres the lyrics to show just how it worked out for that guy.

[iWhen you are not there you wonder what it is they say
They despise your unobtrusive humble, subtle ways
From contempt to loathing into hatred it's too late
By trying to fit in you failed to be a man that no-one hates
][/i]


My point? theres no way to avoid problems, no way to stay neutral, no way to avoid being a "jerk". You just have to go with the flow and if something happens that someone doesnt like, apologise, see if you can fix it, if not, oh well.


But trying to be the middle ground? The neutral party? the grey area?

Theres a high chance everyone will end up hating you.

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Post by anegge Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:31 am

Soiuku, here's a little tip that you might find helpful, but will almost certainly ignore. Responding to obvious joke posts continually, when someone is trying to have a serious conversation with you is poor internet etiquette. It makes you look like an attention whore, and the other person in the conversation look foolish.


Fortunately in my previous moderation threat, I used the word "people" which is plural. So, I haven't booked your' vacation just yet. It would be a really good idea if you stop posting in this thread now.

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